+3 buyins in about 700 hands at 50NL, 5 tables of full ring and 1 of 6-max tonight. I think I played really well for the most part and was happy to have some good results after this bad weekend. I know that I just need to keep working on my game and that when I have time to put in more hours I will crush the 100NL full ring game this January.
My big hands held tonight which was nice and I consistently got it in ahead. Only one big pot that I lost went something like this:
Full ring, one MP limp, I raise AA from MP and SB and limper call. Flop comes K85r. Limper donks $2 into like a $9 pot, I raise to $8, SB folds, limper reraises to $14 and I shove for his stack of $35ish.
Am I EVER ahead of a hand that has this line with the weak lead out and then min reraise? I was mad at myself for not folding (he obv had 55) but I cooled down and came back really strong after that.
Pete
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Meh...
I feel confident and comfortable at the 100NL full ring games but the results are not there yet. I've run really badly which seems to happen after you run well and have a good month, doesn't it? I have also played a few key hands very badly, one where I lost set-over-set and knew I was beat but couldn't let my set go because hey it's a set and you can't fold that, and the other where I had an overpair on a dangerous board where the guy got there on the turn and again I couldn't fold. I feel worse about that hand because at least the other is set over set but each hand I played badly and have nobody to blame but myself.
I also haven't had the chance to play a lot of hands this month, with the semester coming to a close or at least getting to its busy part. So after 10 days I was up a little over four buyins for the month which is pretty good considering how I've run and played at times. But then this weekend I took two more set over sets, lost some big draw vs big made hand type hands, and dropped 2 more buyins at 100NL. Then I played HU and lost another big draw vs overpair hand for another buyin, then tilted off 2 more buyins before stopping. So my month is back to where we started, about even after 12 days.
I need to make some money and get my head right again so I'm going to play 50NL full ring again the rest of this month and in December. I then plan on playing 100NL again in January when I will be able to play a LOT more hands. I know I can beat the level and feel okay at it now, but I also want to win some money this month because poker is my third job so I'm just going to play it safe until next semester and then play 100NL again. The good thing is that I was winning this month and that includes SIX set over set hands where I lost over full buyins, and that's in less than 10,000 hands. (to be fair I had one set over set hand go my way this month, so that nets me at -5) So I know the cards will get better, but I need to play better and not tilt, also, because letting a beat get to you and then tilting off a few more buyins because of it really adds up, as happened to me this weekend.
Anyways, it's the struggles we all go through, and YOU will go through it too, if you already haven't!
Good luck at the tables...and work on not tilting!
Pete
I also haven't had the chance to play a lot of hands this month, with the semester coming to a close or at least getting to its busy part. So after 10 days I was up a little over four buyins for the month which is pretty good considering how I've run and played at times. But then this weekend I took two more set over sets, lost some big draw vs big made hand type hands, and dropped 2 more buyins at 100NL. Then I played HU and lost another big draw vs overpair hand for another buyin, then tilted off 2 more buyins before stopping. So my month is back to where we started, about even after 12 days.
I need to make some money and get my head right again so I'm going to play 50NL full ring again the rest of this month and in December. I then plan on playing 100NL again in January when I will be able to play a LOT more hands. I know I can beat the level and feel okay at it now, but I also want to win some money this month because poker is my third job so I'm just going to play it safe until next semester and then play 100NL again. The good thing is that I was winning this month and that includes SIX set over set hands where I lost over full buyins, and that's in less than 10,000 hands. (to be fair I had one set over set hand go my way this month, so that nets me at -5) So I know the cards will get better, but I need to play better and not tilt, also, because letting a beat get to you and then tilting off a few more buyins because of it really adds up, as happened to me this weekend.
Anyways, it's the struggles we all go through, and YOU will go through it too, if you already haven't!
Good luck at the tables...and work on not tilting!
Pete
Wednesday, November 7, 2007
Good mindset
I've been proud of myself so far in my move up to 100NL that I'm not letting bad beats and coolers get to me. Yesterday I ran awful and in the course of 1000 hands of 100NL full ring I:
-lost with second set to top set twice for 120BBs each time
-ran AK into shortish stack's (30-40 BBs) AA twice where we were getting it AIPF no matter what
-Lost a big pot with flush over flush
-Lost AK to A9o AIPF
-Lost KK to QJ all in on a jack high flop
And despite of all that I never let any of these beats get to me, I kept my cool, kept playing my game, and ended up $78 at the end of the session despite all that. I know I didn't play the flush over flush hand perfectly on the river but I was mad about how I played it, not that "I was coolered, life's no fair, etc etc".
Face it...the most of us are able to consistently make money playing a silly game with some cards that we love to play. We'll all win in the long run if we keep a good mindset and don't go on terrible tilt sessions. But it happens to the best of us, just read Brian Townsend's latest blog posts.
Keep your cool, relax, and just play hands the best you can. The money will come!
Pete
-lost with second set to top set twice for 120BBs each time
-ran AK into shortish stack's (30-40 BBs) AA twice where we were getting it AIPF no matter what
-Lost a big pot with flush over flush
-Lost AK to A9o AIPF
-Lost KK to QJ all in on a jack high flop
And despite of all that I never let any of these beats get to me, I kept my cool, kept playing my game, and ended up $78 at the end of the session despite all that. I know I didn't play the flush over flush hand perfectly on the river but I was mad about how I played it, not that "I was coolered, life's no fair, etc etc".
Face it...the most of us are able to consistently make money playing a silly game with some cards that we love to play. We'll all win in the long run if we keep a good mindset and don't go on terrible tilt sessions. But it happens to the best of us, just read Brian Townsend's latest blog posts.
Keep your cool, relax, and just play hands the best you can. The money will come!
Pete
Thursday, November 1, 2007
Moving up
I have moved up to 100NL full ring on Full Tilt after my biggest month ever playing full ring 50NL last month. I think I might have found my niche, and I don't care what people say about boring full ring nitty poker or whatever, if it's profitable that's what I want to play!
I've been three days so far at 100NL and found the play very managable. I won 2.5 buyins the first two days, and lost a little under a buyin yesterday. I played some hands badly, but the good thing is that I am understanding where I mess up in hands more often now, and am correcting those errors. I feel very comfortable at the next level up and so far the play has still been pretty easy to play against, just a bit more aggressive at times. Really, though, the 50NL 6-max games at Full Tilt are more aggressive and tougher than the 100NL full ring games, no joke.
My goal for the month is 5 ptBB/100 winrate, which would equal $2000-3000 playing 20k-30k hands. We'll see what happens. I'll keep you updated!
Pete
I've been three days so far at 100NL and found the play very managable. I won 2.5 buyins the first two days, and lost a little under a buyin yesterday. I played some hands badly, but the good thing is that I am understanding where I mess up in hands more often now, and am correcting those errors. I feel very comfortable at the next level up and so far the play has still been pretty easy to play against, just a bit more aggressive at times. Really, though, the 50NL 6-max games at Full Tilt are more aggressive and tougher than the 100NL full ring games, no joke.
My goal for the month is 5 ptBB/100 winrate, which would equal $2000-3000 playing 20k-30k hands. We'll see what happens. I'll keep you updated!
Pete
Thursday, October 25, 2007
Things are going well...
Hey everyone, sorry for no update in a long time. Very busy with school and squeezing in as much poker as I can, as well as some traveling I have to do for various reasons.
So far this month playing NL50 full ring on Full Tilt and a little bit on Cake I'm up over 30 buyins in probably 20kish hands, so that translates to about 7.5 ptBB/100. I've run hot at times, and while I'm probably running a bit ahead of expectation I don't think this is all luck, obviously. I love how soft and passive the games are, and I think beating them for 5 ptBB/100 is very, VERY managable.
Playing full ring and adding more tables has helped me stop some spewage that was occurring in the 6-max games just by playing too many marginal hands in marginal spots and making bad decisions. The decisions are often quite easier here due to less aggressive play and hand ranges being more defined because of the full ring structure.
This is my biggest month ever and I hope to move up to NL100 full ring next month. I hope you are all doing well and running well and good luck at the tables.
Pete
So far this month playing NL50 full ring on Full Tilt and a little bit on Cake I'm up over 30 buyins in probably 20kish hands, so that translates to about 7.5 ptBB/100. I've run hot at times, and while I'm probably running a bit ahead of expectation I don't think this is all luck, obviously. I love how soft and passive the games are, and I think beating them for 5 ptBB/100 is very, VERY managable.
Playing full ring and adding more tables has helped me stop some spewage that was occurring in the 6-max games just by playing too many marginal hands in marginal spots and making bad decisions. The decisions are often quite easier here due to less aggressive play and hand ranges being more defined because of the full ring structure.
This is my biggest month ever and I hope to move up to NL100 full ring next month. I hope you are all doing well and running well and good luck at the tables.
Pete
Tuesday, October 2, 2007
Full ring
I've been playing some 50NL full ring on FT lately. The game are weak, a lot weaker than the 6-max games. The low stakes 6-max games on FT have lots of CR and 2+2ers, smart players who are learning. Full ring has a LOT more dead weight, at least so far.
Give full ring a try if crazy variance at 6-max is bugging you!
Pete
Give full ring a try if crazy variance at 6-max is bugging you!
Pete
Thursday, September 20, 2007
A good read...
No pun intended...found this article on 2+2 and it's a good read for the low limit NL cash grinder.
Pete
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" posted this in another thread started by Fallen Hero, but after posting my original thoughts, i've developed a few others that I think are worthy of including, and therefore should be included....thus I'm copying my original and adding to it. Sorry if this causes you to read it twice.
First rule of reads - You have to apply any reads you have to the context and history of the hand....does it make sense what the villain is doing?
Example from the other day. I pick up queens in the BB. 4 limps to me, including the SB. I raise it 8xbb. Folds to SB (who is TAG). SB goes all in for 50bb's. Does that make sense? Could he have possibly gone for a limp-reraise with AA or KK here with only the BB left to act who is OOP for the rest of the hand? The answer is clearly no. He put me on the squeeze play and assumed I had garbage. I didn't, I called, and I stacked his completely dominated QJ. Whenever an opponent makes a play, does it make sense in the context of the hand.
A few really valuable reads to have on villains.
Valuable read 1 - villains that overplay TPTK
One of my villain's notes is "plays TPTK like the nuts, even with it's TP of 9's. Raised and called all in with A9 on a 7889 threeflush board."
I've used that read to stack a particular villain at least 4 times.
However, this has to done in the context of the hand. Conversely if you have a read that a loose passive opponent can't fold top pair, and the flop comes 7 high and he'd raised preflop with a relatively narrow raising range, you know he's not going crazy with TPTK...you know he's got an overpair.
Valuable read 2 - Plays way too agressively when there is a flush draw on the board.
These villains are great to flop big hands against in position because you never even have to bet or raise because you know they don't have the draw either. Example, you have pocket 7's in position. Villain raises, you call. Flop comes XX7 with 2 spades. Villain pots it, you call. Turn - blank, villain pushes, you call and stack his AA that he overplayed due to the draw-heavy board.
Valuable Read 3 - total donkey calling station
One of the best reads known to man. Do not semi-bluff these guys, do not threebet all in with a coin flip hand because they'll call, and you are only 50/50....try to catch your hand because they will call once you catch it too. They can't fold TP even on a straigthening flushing board. Value bet, value bet, value bet. I called a $20 turn bet against one of these guys into a $10 pot with a flush draw last week on a TJQK board. Rivered the flush, push overbet for $250 and he called with the ace hi straight.
Valueable read 4 - minbets draws
You've all seen these guys. They minbet into you and try to draw cheap, then they go ahead and call your big raise. I really have no idea what they are thinking...they know they can't pay full price to draw, which is why they bet small, but then they call a raise anyway. Punish these guys, and fold if any draws come home.
Valuable read 5 - minraises small pockets/SC's/suited aces preflop.
Some villains will typically minraise either small pockets, or sc's or suited aces preflop...they don't usually minraise all three, but lots of villains will minraise at least one of these. If you start getting action with a big hand on a ragged board or a board like 55K, you can generally figure they've got the trips with top kicker, or a set on a 852 board or something similar. It can save you money a lot of the time..or you can PUNISH them on a 55K board when you've got KK because you KNOW they've got A5.
Valuable read 6 - can't read boards and tell when he's counterfeited. Also, the converse "smart enough to know he just got counterfeited"
These villains are great. Flop comes 228, and they have 89. You bet with Jacks and they call. Turn 9...you bet they raise, you reraise, and villain has top 2...can't fold right, even though TT+ kills them, which you represent. They don't realize your 2 pair beats them. This is a great read to have. Good LAGS typically realize this but still can't fold. Example from above 982 though, you bet and get raised...think you might be behind to 98 so you flat call. Turn comes a 2, and now villain checks.....now you've got him. Start value-betting, he'll probably call.
Valuable read 7 - minbet-threebets monsters
These are great too because they let you get away cheap. Villain leads into you with a minbet on a draw heavy board knowing you'll raise. You oblige, and now the threebets all in with a set...you easily dump your hand (provided you have this read). Villain doesn't realize he could have potted it and gotten a much bigger raise out of you but hey...his bad play is why you are here.
Valueable read 8 - plays ALL draws agressively
A read that an opponent plays big draws agressively doesn't really help you much other than including the big draw in his range when he's raising on a draw heavy board.
A read that an opponent will play ANY draw agressively is however. Any ragged 2 flush board with him raising makes it easier to include the draw and not a set as his likely holdings. Same thing on connected flops like A78....makes it easier to put him on 9T or 56 and lets you know by his action if he's hit. A good way to determine if villains got a monster or not is to flat call his flop raise when OOP and donk into him on the turn. If he raises you again, it's generally a big hand. If he calls he's probably got the draw and that lets you play the river perfectly. Against a lot of these villains if you threebet the flop big you are likely to get raised all in and are then faced with a tough decision. I generally like to call their flop raise, and then disappoint them by donking a PSB on a blank turn, this destroys their odds and eliminates tough decisions on your part as very few of them have the guts to go all in at that point.
Valuable Read 10 - makes weak C-bets with whiffed hands, makes big c-bets with hands that connected
These villains are really easy to float against with nothing, or punish with big hands. If a villain makes a weak c-bet into me I'll generally raise if I think he'll fold right on the flop, or wait until the turn to raise as that's always more scary and almost always gets a fold. Conversely, if the villain makes a PSB and I have nothing, I know I can safely fold and won't try to float because I know he's got a hand. This is why it's so critical that you always make your cbets a standard size.
Valuable read 11 - Does not consider pot size when determining the strength of a bet
Some villains associate the size of the bet in relation to the stakes as a strong bet, rather than the size of the bet in relation to the pot. For example...some villains think their $10 bet into a $50 pot is strong because it's a big bet for $50NL. We as a group typically consider that a weak bet...but if the villain doesn't, beware.
Valuable Read 12 - villain ALWAYS raises in the BB if it's a headsup blind battle and the SB completes.
This read makes you money in a number of ways. First you know not to complete with hands you want to play OOP to a raise, because you know you'll get one. And second you KNOW he's raising so you limp with TT+ and punish him when he does. After enough of these you can start limping and not expect a raise.
Valuable read 13 - Villain reraises light and flatcalls with truly big hands.
I found a TAG villain that religously reraises with marginal hands (AJ for example) but NEVER reraises with AA/KK. This makes him easy to play against because if he reraises you, you know your AK is good on an a K hi flop, because AA isn't in his reraise range.
Valuable Read 14 - Calls pot-size bets on draws on the flop AND turn, then either goes for the checkraise when it hits (or donk bets it, depends on villain)
Lots of villains (myself included) will call smallish PSB's on the flop with draws. Not as many will call on the turn. The ones that will call large turn bets are truly great buddies for life and worth following around. When you get called by one of these guys on the flop on a draw heavy board. You must make a PS turn bet, screw pot control, punish these donkies. Conversely, slow way down when the draw hits and consider folding. The other great thing about these guys if that they'll almost always go for a checkraise when they complete their draw, disappoint them by not letting them get the checkraise in.
Marginal but sometimes valuable timing tells
Assuming a villain normally acts in a certain period of time, sometimes something outside of that normal range can give you a tell. The most common one is the delayed call or bet. If a villain raised on the flop and then a flush card falls, and that villain takes an inordinately long period to act after the card hits, it's almost a certainty that he hit the flush. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this and it's been the flush. They are thinking that you'll associate their long thought period with weakness, but in reality it's strength. I generally insta-fold TP with this read and i'm almost always right. This read is subject to a villain that is only single-tabling though. If it's against a multi-tabling tag it's not as reliable as he could be acting on another table, etc.
Other Ramblings - Absent reads I'm typically very reluctant to call large river bets with good, but not unbeatable hands. I've gotten burned by this lately with things like K high flushes facing pushes and losing to the nut flush, things like that. Villains typically just don't bet rivers huge without the nuts or near nuts. Also beware of the full pot size bet or slight overbet if you checked the turn behind after a draw hit. This almost always signifies a whiffed turn-checkraise that the villain is trying to make up for. If a villain is capable of bluffing the river with missed draws and things of that nature, then calling is standard, but I have to have a read to make me do this and it has to be a very good read."
Pete
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" posted this in another thread started by Fallen Hero, but after posting my original thoughts, i've developed a few others that I think are worthy of including, and therefore should be included....thus I'm copying my original and adding to it. Sorry if this causes you to read it twice.
First rule of reads - You have to apply any reads you have to the context and history of the hand....does it make sense what the villain is doing?
Example from the other day. I pick up queens in the BB. 4 limps to me, including the SB. I raise it 8xbb. Folds to SB (who is TAG). SB goes all in for 50bb's. Does that make sense? Could he have possibly gone for a limp-reraise with AA or KK here with only the BB left to act who is OOP for the rest of the hand? The answer is clearly no. He put me on the squeeze play and assumed I had garbage. I didn't, I called, and I stacked his completely dominated QJ. Whenever an opponent makes a play, does it make sense in the context of the hand.
A few really valuable reads to have on villains.
Valuable read 1 - villains that overplay TPTK
One of my villain's notes is "plays TPTK like the nuts, even with it's TP of 9's. Raised and called all in with A9 on a 7889 threeflush board."
I've used that read to stack a particular villain at least 4 times.
However, this has to done in the context of the hand. Conversely if you have a read that a loose passive opponent can't fold top pair, and the flop comes 7 high and he'd raised preflop with a relatively narrow raising range, you know he's not going crazy with TPTK...you know he's got an overpair.
Valuable read 2 - Plays way too agressively when there is a flush draw on the board.
These villains are great to flop big hands against in position because you never even have to bet or raise because you know they don't have the draw either. Example, you have pocket 7's in position. Villain raises, you call. Flop comes XX7 with 2 spades. Villain pots it, you call. Turn - blank, villain pushes, you call and stack his AA that he overplayed due to the draw-heavy board.
Valuable Read 3 - total donkey calling station
One of the best reads known to man. Do not semi-bluff these guys, do not threebet all in with a coin flip hand because they'll call, and you are only 50/50....try to catch your hand because they will call once you catch it too. They can't fold TP even on a straigthening flushing board. Value bet, value bet, value bet. I called a $20 turn bet against one of these guys into a $10 pot with a flush draw last week on a TJQK board. Rivered the flush, push overbet for $250 and he called with the ace hi straight.
Valueable read 4 - minbets draws
You've all seen these guys. They minbet into you and try to draw cheap, then they go ahead and call your big raise. I really have no idea what they are thinking...they know they can't pay full price to draw, which is why they bet small, but then they call a raise anyway. Punish these guys, and fold if any draws come home.
Valuable read 5 - minraises small pockets/SC's/suited aces preflop.
Some villains will typically minraise either small pockets, or sc's or suited aces preflop...they don't usually minraise all three, but lots of villains will minraise at least one of these. If you start getting action with a big hand on a ragged board or a board like 55K, you can generally figure they've got the trips with top kicker, or a set on a 852 board or something similar. It can save you money a lot of the time..or you can PUNISH them on a 55K board when you've got KK because you KNOW they've got A5.
Valuable read 6 - can't read boards and tell when he's counterfeited. Also, the converse "smart enough to know he just got counterfeited"
These villains are great. Flop comes 228, and they have 89. You bet with Jacks and they call. Turn 9...you bet they raise, you reraise, and villain has top 2...can't fold right, even though TT+ kills them, which you represent. They don't realize your 2 pair beats them. This is a great read to have. Good LAGS typically realize this but still can't fold. Example from above 982 though, you bet and get raised...think you might be behind to 98 so you flat call. Turn comes a 2, and now villain checks.....now you've got him. Start value-betting, he'll probably call.
Valuable read 7 - minbet-threebets monsters
These are great too because they let you get away cheap. Villain leads into you with a minbet on a draw heavy board knowing you'll raise. You oblige, and now the threebets all in with a set...you easily dump your hand (provided you have this read). Villain doesn't realize he could have potted it and gotten a much bigger raise out of you but hey...his bad play is why you are here.
Valueable read 8 - plays ALL draws agressively
A read that an opponent plays big draws agressively doesn't really help you much other than including the big draw in his range when he's raising on a draw heavy board.
A read that an opponent will play ANY draw agressively is however. Any ragged 2 flush board with him raising makes it easier to include the draw and not a set as his likely holdings. Same thing on connected flops like A78....makes it easier to put him on 9T or 56 and lets you know by his action if he's hit. A good way to determine if villains got a monster or not is to flat call his flop raise when OOP and donk into him on the turn. If he raises you again, it's generally a big hand. If he calls he's probably got the draw and that lets you play the river perfectly. Against a lot of these villains if you threebet the flop big you are likely to get raised all in and are then faced with a tough decision. I generally like to call their flop raise, and then disappoint them by donking a PSB on a blank turn, this destroys their odds and eliminates tough decisions on your part as very few of them have the guts to go all in at that point.
Valuable Read 10 - makes weak C-bets with whiffed hands, makes big c-bets with hands that connected
These villains are really easy to float against with nothing, or punish with big hands. If a villain makes a weak c-bet into me I'll generally raise if I think he'll fold right on the flop, or wait until the turn to raise as that's always more scary and almost always gets a fold. Conversely, if the villain makes a PSB and I have nothing, I know I can safely fold and won't try to float because I know he's got a hand. This is why it's so critical that you always make your cbets a standard size.
Valuable read 11 - Does not consider pot size when determining the strength of a bet
Some villains associate the size of the bet in relation to the stakes as a strong bet, rather than the size of the bet in relation to the pot. For example...some villains think their $10 bet into a $50 pot is strong because it's a big bet for $50NL. We as a group typically consider that a weak bet...but if the villain doesn't, beware.
Valuable Read 12 - villain ALWAYS raises in the BB if it's a headsup blind battle and the SB completes.
This read makes you money in a number of ways. First you know not to complete with hands you want to play OOP to a raise, because you know you'll get one. And second you KNOW he's raising so you limp with TT+ and punish him when he does. After enough of these you can start limping and not expect a raise.
Valuable read 13 - Villain reraises light and flatcalls with truly big hands.
I found a TAG villain that religously reraises with marginal hands (AJ for example) but NEVER reraises with AA/KK. This makes him easy to play against because if he reraises you, you know your AK is good on an a K hi flop, because AA isn't in his reraise range.
Valuable Read 14 - Calls pot-size bets on draws on the flop AND turn, then either goes for the checkraise when it hits (or donk bets it, depends on villain)
Lots of villains (myself included) will call smallish PSB's on the flop with draws. Not as many will call on the turn. The ones that will call large turn bets are truly great buddies for life and worth following around. When you get called by one of these guys on the flop on a draw heavy board. You must make a PS turn bet, screw pot control, punish these donkies. Conversely, slow way down when the draw hits and consider folding. The other great thing about these guys if that they'll almost always go for a checkraise when they complete their draw, disappoint them by not letting them get the checkraise in.
Marginal but sometimes valuable timing tells
Assuming a villain normally acts in a certain period of time, sometimes something outside of that normal range can give you a tell. The most common one is the delayed call or bet. If a villain raised on the flop and then a flush card falls, and that villain takes an inordinately long period to act after the card hits, it's almost a certainty that he hit the flush. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this and it's been the flush. They are thinking that you'll associate their long thought period with weakness, but in reality it's strength. I generally insta-fold TP with this read and i'm almost always right. This read is subject to a villain that is only single-tabling though. If it's against a multi-tabling tag it's not as reliable as he could be acting on another table, etc.
Other Ramblings - Absent reads I'm typically very reluctant to call large river bets with good, but not unbeatable hands. I've gotten burned by this lately with things like K high flushes facing pushes and losing to the nut flush, things like that. Villains typically just don't bet rivers huge without the nuts or near nuts. Also beware of the full pot size bet or slight overbet if you checked the turn behind after a draw hit. This almost always signifies a whiffed turn-checkraise that the villain is trying to make up for. If a villain is capable of bluffing the river with missed draws and things of that nature, then calling is standard, but I have to have a read to make me do this and it has to be a very good read."
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