At home so I thought I'd dig up two trouble hands from yesterday and post them here...they involve a similar spot, playing JJ from the blinds. I know I need to three bet from the blinds more often with this hand, but I fall into the trap of just smooth calling and making sure the flop brings low cards and that's pretty weak. Anyways, here are the hands:
Hand 1: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1230490
Oh man this is bad. Since I don't repop preflop I have no idea where I am postflop, so I'm playing tentatively OOP. Obv c/c the flop is pretty bad, do you guys like a lead here or a check/raise? I put his range at something like AQs, AK, 99-KK, very slightly AA possibility. He hadn't been getting out of line in his hands so I have to put him on one of those types of hands, very likely TT or QQ, even JJ. What do you think of his small river bet? Do I have to pay this off? What can I beat that bets that small? I butchered this, please help. I freeze up with a hand like JJ to an uncharacteristic large preflop raise.
Hand 2: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1230500
NOTE: My flop call of the check/raise was a misclick! Uggh. I hadn't decided what to do yet and accidentally clicked call, so that pretty much commited me I thought.
After I did that I just thought I'd get it all in and convinced myself maybe he had something I could beat...but I beat basically nothing, even the flush got there. My question is how do you respond to his turn check/raise that is so big? 3bet again preflop? How do you play a hand like this OOP against pressure on a raggy flop?
These hands make me look so awful...I am not always this bad I swear. :)
Thanks,
Pete
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Pokerhand.org does not seem to be working. I'll try later to check out your hands.
poker hand worked fine for me...
I agree with 3 betting JJ more from the blinds. I feel that by doing this you can figure out alot sooner where you are at in the hand. I also find it tough to play a hand like this from OOP
Ok, working now.
Hand 1: I like a 3 bet PF. With a call though I would have c/r the flop, and c/f the turn if he's still in it. I like to c/r the flop a lot more than most when OOP. Think I'll write a post regarding this in the next few days. Everyone please check it out and comment on it.
Hand 2: Ditto.
For hand 1, I raise Pre flop and check raise the flop. I think I would have shut down on the turn especially with the K on the board and having met resistance already. I would expect the river bet would be a value bet crying out for a call.
For hand 2 I know it was a misclick but I think I would fold to a raise on the flop. I would definately check fold on the turn with the flush draw there. What were his Stats?
Hand 1: I think 3-betting pre-flop is the way to go - even if he is UTG. If he pushes you can fold. If he calls you can bet this flop and probably fold to a shove. As played I check-raise this flop. If he shoves I guess you have to fold. I'd fold the river there - there isn't much you beat.
Hand 2: Again, 3-bet pre-flop. I'd probably check-raise the flop rather than leading out. It's a stronger line and if he shoves you can fold. I prefer leading out with a stronger hand so if he raises you can shove.
I don't know what to say that you don't know and hasn't been said. 3-bet preflop. On the first hand, if you aren't going to 3-bet before the flop, I think you have to check/raise this flop.
hand 1.
the way you played it, I would fold to the river bet unless i had a solid read that he likes to make small river bluffs. Two overcards, and the 3 flush hitted on the river.
I agree with other posters. 3 bet on the bb, it makes pock J easier to play and better defines villains hand.
hand 2.
3 bet pf again.
Flop.
I like the lead bet and i'm pushing it all in after he reraises on the flop if he is a laggy player.
He could be doing this with a flush draw/str8 draw or tptk.
I may fold if he is taggish and a nit post flop.
Turn.
Not a bad play because the flush and str8 hit.
You were pretty much committed when you made the flop call though.
TY to all those who have responded here. I am going to do my best to post on your blogs and respond to your hands as well. Thanks for the input, you guys rock. :)
Pete
The two hands look almost identically to me, so I think they should both be check/raised on the flop.
I would be more inclined to lead here if there are a lot of worse hands that call me down without much chance of improvement, maybe like a paired board where lower pairs will call you. Unfortunately, it seems rarely the case with JJ. I'm more inclined to c/r when there are worse hands, like unpaired overcards, that will fold if I lead but bet if I check.
Obviously if villain is laggier and will bluff raise donk leads a lot, that changes things. However, we can't assume that given no stats/reads, and I think the frequency of that is decreased at micros. I haven't really noticed many people playing draws aggro when I did my script testing at 10nl.
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